yalhak is our moshe rabbainu – a few cows
June 27, 2007
I have no right to speak for the editors of Cow who post these things, but being the kind of diarrhea-mouth I am, I will anyway.
It’s my belief that the editors of Cow post these repugnant toires NOT as an endorsement of them, but to demonstrate the kinds of vicious, narrow-minded and EVIL crap in Orthodox rabbinic Judaism that they are trying to overthrow.
If I’m wrong (and I SERIOUSLY doubt that I am) I invite the card-carrying, chaulent fressing Cows — and NOT asshole trolls and other farkakter commenters who come here looking for a fight — to correct me.
Again, it’s my belief that such toires as these, and those of the Rambam on another thread, are posted by the editors of Cow NOT to “endorse” but to CONDEMN them.
I think it’s important that the casual visitor to Cow — whether Jew or Gentile — should understand this.
Comment by Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain on Do gentiles also customarily have sexual relations with birds?- in the Parasha- בלעם + אתון = רכיבות ביום ואישות בלילה” = רכיבות ביום
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mohammed | June 27, 2007 at 10:30 pm
as far as I know, the cow is not looking to overthrow anything at all, certainly not orthodox judiasm.
consider yourself corrected
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 12:22 am
mohammed,
gotcha. but i’m assuming that youre not speaking for ALL the cows but just for YOURSELF, which doesn’t necessarily reflect a concensus opinion.
so i gladly stand corrected by YOU — whose right to his personal opinion i respect as much as i do in anyone else — but, again as im sure you agree, that “correction” comes only from YOUR point of view, but NOT from that of the COWS in any concensual way.
Hopefully other Cows will add their moos to muhammed’s moo. it’s what’s called, i believe, a “discussion” in which, incidentally, i don’t give a damn if others agree or disagree with me, or if YOU come out “right” and I come out “wrong.” In the first place, there’s no such thing; and in the second, it wouldnt matter to me (and shouldn’t to you) even if there were.
yalhak
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kadosh | June 28, 2007 at 12:23 am
The Chachamim also asked: what is the rule for birds? Do gentiles also customarily have sexual relations with birds? If so, it would also be forbidden to board birds at a gentile’s boarding facility. The Chachamim answered that they do indeed also have sexual relations with birds, and related an incident which once occurred: rav Yehuda said: “ i saw A gentile bought a goose in the marketplace, had sexual relations with it, and then choked the bird, killed it, roasted it, and ate it. They also related an incident from rav Yirmiya that he said: ” i saw an Arab who bought an animal thigh, cut a hole in it the appropriate size for his sexual organ, penetrated it, and then roasted and ate it.
(Avodah Zarah 22b)
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 12:51 am
if i were a gentile and read that i would be inuriated to say the least. and i would have every reason to be. maybe even to hate jews because of it.
I guarantee you if the words “jew” and “gentile” were reversed in the text and it were to be a passage in the gospels about how a gentile sees a jew fucking and then eating a goose the anti-defamation league would be screaming bloody murder faster than you could say, “antisemitic.”
so how come it’s ok for us jews to depict gentiles as bird-fuckers in OUR holy scriptures, but NOT for them to describe us as a “synagogue of satan” in theirs?
yalhak
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 1:24 am
could it be that the jew haters are right, and the talmud is a “gospel of hate?” from the quotes you and others are posting here it would certainly seem so.
could it be that we jews whose consciousness has evolved from that of the third century should do whatever we can to reject and correct these repulsive, ungodly dicta and the religious practices that have grown out of them? i think so. the question is, other than muhammad, do other cows think the same?
it has always seemed to me that the overall POV of the cow was a revolution against orthodoxy. (it would be hard to explain most of what goes on here in any other way.)
Now, this may not be muhammad’s POV, but then again hardly anything ever is. in the few months i’ve been here i see it as a given that whatever anyone says or thinks, muhammad is going to say or think the opposite. it’s part of his predictability, but also part of his charm. i think it was radloh who said that.
yalhak
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 1:25 am
or something damn close to it.
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Shaul ben Yakov Leib | June 28, 2007 at 1:33 am
You know the old saying, “the best way to put out a fire is to go to the source”. For those that are posting these toires my question is one of “intent”. Could there be more to this than meets the eye/EYE. Sorcery can be a tricky busness. Some of us take our theurgic work very seriously and with that in mind maybe a few of these evil shells can be broken inorder to release that which is truelly holy in them back to God.
Shaul
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 1:38 am
shaul,
i could not have said it better; and didn’t.
abba
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mohammed | June 28, 2007 at 6:21 am
yalhak
you’re entitled to your opinion, which doesn’t interest me all that much.
but when you decide to speak in the name of “the editors of sfc” you’re including me, and I find it necessary to include myself
out.
after a whole bunch of emails,.we still didn’t decide what is the point of sfc or if there is one. It’s just an ongoing discussion of a bunch of people expressing whatever is on their mind at any given moment.
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 11:30 am
mohammed,
so what makes you think i disagree? of course you “include yourself out.” when have you done otherwise about almost anything? like i say, it’s part of you charm, but certainly most of your MO. i believe its what the psychologists call an “oppositional” personality type. but regardless of what others may say about it, i for one say, yasher koach! gai gezunter hait.
yalhak
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mohammed | June 28, 2007 at 12:56 pm
when you speak in the name of the editors of sfc, it has the implication of meaning all of them.
you might think it’s self understood that I disagree, I’m not sure if every one else here is.
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 1:00 pm
besides, an editor posted this post by me, i didn’t. and read it again, if you care to. i don’t think you got it exactly right the first time around.
i would never PRESUME to speak for the cows — of which i neither am nor ever could be a member. (i don’t speak hebrew for one thing, nor am i educated in toireh as you are, for another)
if you read what i wrote more carefully than you apparently did the first time around, i think you’ll see that i am ASKING if that’s what the cows think, not DECLARING it to be their policy.
you, clearly, DON’T. you don’t say what you DO, but you DO say what you DON’T. (again, as even a superficial survey of your comments on cow would show, is your rather typical response — and yasher koach to you for it, say i; every collective like the cow needs members like its muhammed.)
zai gezunt,
yalhak
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 1:11 pm
muhammed,
i completely understand your concern. but again, i wasn’t “speaking for the cows.” i was trying (unsuccessfully in your case, apparently) to be ironic, subtle and self-depricating. read again what i wrote with that possbility in mind. or not. either way ain’t gonna change the value of the dollar.
yalhakmir ibn chaynik
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 1:22 pm
shit. if i were you i wouldn’t want to be associated with me either.
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 1:49 pm
p.s. one last thing before i fold my tent and silently steal away: i’m not the only one who perceives the cow as being that way. Sholom Keller calls you guys, “The Cow: that revolutionary, avant garde, in your face, failedmessiah wannabe.”
i was just asking in my initial comment if that’s what the cow STILL is or ASPIRES to being. you don’t think so. but i don’t think you ever did.
now im gonna shut up before i overstay my welcome on a blog dedicated to me in the first place.
yalhak
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 1:50 pm
i mean “a THREAD dedicated to me in the first place.”
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mamish mishige | June 28, 2007 at 2:58 pm
i heard this shabbos about 2 yeshivah boys who went to the market for the rebes wife to buy fish and fucked the fish before giving it to the rebes wife to cook for shabbos and the man said that they laughed by the meal see all e chasidim eating ther fish
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yoseph leib | June 28, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Yalhak is trustworthy for the same reason, and to the same degree Moshe Rabeinu is: because part of the Torah they’re giving is halivi they were all prophets, and their whole Torah is about the limitations of our assumption of what G-d is and what he wants.
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 4:57 pm
yossel,
if you were here (and your fiance would let me) I would kiss you.
yalhak
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monseyiny | June 28, 2007 at 6:36 pm
yalhak
Here is my ode to you from an editor cow. “For most of the writers and editors of sevenfatcow you are Moshe Rabainu”
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monseyiny | June 28, 2007 at 6:40 pm
The Anarchist Rabbi is a Sevenfatcow member, even though we are wary of handing the password to an anarchist.
“Failed messiah Wannabe” was the term used by one of the Cows to describe the Anarchist and not vice versa.
Open dialogue is crucial to this site and your post was right on the money.
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 28, 2007 at 9:58 pm
monseyiny,
and you the same as yossel.
yalhak
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monkeywrench | June 29, 2007 at 1:56 am
Just like to thank Reb for remembering Leonard Cohen one of my fav.song writers.Here is a song if you want to check out Cohen. There is plenty of videos on youtube to get a feel for his music, for those who are unfamiliar w/ his stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9xcDs9jRk
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cavemanrabbi | June 29, 2007 at 9:51 pm
since u believe in visual/imaginary and some of you ilk favor actual sinning
should we also fantasize about cows and same gender sex? hey, = rights under the law
y discrimin8??
and lets not forget the palant kingdom
eucalypti have a right to pleasure too!
btw, was not your innovative system actually practiced among aboriginal and mayan cults thousands of years ago?
y judaize it?
u r not fantasizin about me right now, are you??
becuase it would not be consensual
and the bigger the sin (greater the teshuva)the bigger the bang for the buck
or f…k
?
and isn’t that what your theory is all about?
wud u also recommend cyber sex??
technology in the service of torah!
{hiddur misvah}
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Aisav ben Yakov Leib | June 29, 2007 at 10:31 pm
The short answer is, no! Now you see there, that wasn’t hard. It’s so easy even a caveman can understand it.
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 29, 2007 at 11:27 pm
THE ZOHAR ON “THE GATES OF IMAGINATION”:
Rabbi Judah opened: ‘Her husband is known in the gates when he sits among the elders of the land.” (Proverbs 31:23)
Come and see:
The Blessed Holy One has ascended in glory.
There is no one in the world, nor has there ever been, who can understand or withstand him.
He is hidden, concealed, transcendent,
beyond beyond.
For he is unknowable.
No one has ever been able to identify him.
How, then, can you say:
Her husband is known in the gates?
When her husband is the Blessed Holy One
Who is unknowable!
Indeed, He IS known in the gates.
He is known and grasped to the degree
that one OPENS THE GATE OF IMAGINATION!
The capacity to connect with the Spirit of Wisdom,
To IMAGINE God in one’s Heart-Mind –
THAT is how God becomes known.
Therefore ‘Her husband IS known in the gates,’
Through the GATES OF IMAGINATION.
Zohar 110:3a-b
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monkeywrench | June 30, 2007 at 2:05 am
I hope my salvation is not left up to “my”Imagination yikes! If that be the case then everyones G– is different than everybody else G– and you have total chaos.There has to be a oneness among G–s ppl. One heart one mind in the body of Christ.If imagination = G– how can i relate to another Christian,or Jew or, Muslium if our imagination of g– be different??Imagination = uncertainty,i need something more concrete than imagination! If you look at the great sages of the past, why are their “imagination” of G– the same? It was something more than their own imagination speaking through them! P.S. One has to come out from the past(Torah)and and immerse themselves in the new order of things (Jahsuahs resurrection)everything has been made new!!!
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Shaul ben Yakov Leib | June 30, 2007 at 11:15 am
Monkywrench,
Did you not see in bold type OPENS THE GATE OF IMAGINATION? Where does it say that God is imagination?
You write,”There has to be a oneness among G–s ppl. One heart one mind in the body of Christ”Without thinking of Christ as some physical man but as the “Christos” where do you think this is going to take place?
To repeat what Yalhak has quoted from the Zohar, “Therefore ‘Her husband IS known in the gates,’
Through the GATES OF IMAGINATION”
Ohhh, and since when is it about “our” salvation?
Shaul
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 30, 2007 at 11:36 am
“In my Father’s House are MANY rooms.” John 14:1
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 30, 2007 at 11:50 am
Shaul,
Well said. But don’t argue; don’t explain; don’t “convince.” People either get it or they don’t.
But worse than someone who DOESN’T “get it” is someone who THINKS they “get it” when thei really DON’T, and then talk as if they DO.
Also remember, whether someone “gets it” or not doesn’t make them right or wrong. The person who “gets it” isn’t any more “right” than the person who doesn’t — just a different door to another room of the same house.
yalhak
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | June 30, 2007 at 1:00 pm
monkey,
i’m proud to say that the zen monk, jikan eliezer (i.e., Leonard Cohen), is a loyal friend to us and our teachings.
yalhak
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monkeywrench | July 1, 2007 at 1:07 am
Shaul !My response was a synthesis between what cavemanrabis reply was and Rebs “Open the gates of imagination” ,so i dont expect you to understand . I guess my whole point was come out from the old into the new order of things.Since even Reb has admitted that the Torah came from the dark god (old order)and now G– has giving us his son the(word) the true light.Out of the darkness came forth the light !P.S. I dont mind if ppl disagree w/ me or they agree,Lets all seek the truth together! There is much learning in ones errors!!Shalom too all!!! P.S.P.S. Reb.good to hear the L.Cohen is a loyal friend.I dont think i fall in either of those cats.but time will tell ?
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cavemanrabbi | July 1, 2007 at 3:21 am
since u believe in visual/imaginary and some of you ilk favor actual sinning
should we also fantasize about cows and same gender sex? hey, = rights under the law
y discrimin8??
and lets not forget the plant kingdom
eucalypti have a right to pleasure too!
or f…kand the bigger the sin (greater the teshuva)the bigger the bang for the
?
and isn’t that what your theory is all about?
btw, was not your innovative system actually practiced among aboriginal and mayan cults thousands of years ago?
y judaize it?
u r not fantasizin about me right now, are you??
becuase it would not be consensual & i will proscute u to the fullest extent of the law
buck
wud u also recommend cyber sex??
technology in the service of torah!
{hiddur misvah}
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mamish mishige | July 1, 2007 at 2:21 pm
yakov leib i am not a cow but i love your writing and philosophy
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | July 1, 2007 at 2:54 pm
that can only be because you’re mamish mishige. todah rabah.
yalhak
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | July 1, 2007 at 3:51 pm
“In my Father’s House are MANY rooms.” John 14:1
When it comes to what I teach, we don’t argue; we don’t explain; we don’t debate; we don’t “convince.” People either get it or they don’t.
But worse than someone who DOESN’T “get it” is someone who THINKS they do when they really DON’T, and then pride themselves on and talk about it as if they DO.
On the other hand, whether someone “gets it” or not doesn’t make them right or wrong. (Nor does it mean shit to me whether they do or don’t.)
The person who “gets it” isn’t any more “right” than the person who doesn’t — just a different door to another room of the same house.
yalhak
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | July 1, 2007 at 5:12 pm
p.s. we don’t even “correct” the people who THINK they “get it” when they actually DON’T. It’s typically futile and, even more often, a total waste of time. As it says in Pirke Avos:
“The wise man keeps his mouth shut in the presence of someone who knows more than he does. The stupid person does the opposite.” (Pirke Avos 5:9)
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mamish mishige | July 1, 2007 at 9:34 pm
reb yalhak can you say somting about aogestine the christoan?
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | July 1, 2007 at 10:08 pm
Maimish,
I’m lazy by nature and don’t like to repeat myself. (It takes away from my TV-watching time.) It’s much easier for me to refer you to my recorded talks on these and related topics at the following links:
http://www.donmeh-west.com/gnostic_gospel_of_thomas.shtml
http://www.donmeh-west.com/spon_jesus_lectures.shtml
There are also literally 10,000 written lectures by me on the internet you can look through by search engine for whatever you may be interested in reading that I have written. You can find these by joining Donmeh West at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DONMEH_WEST/
I’ll say this much here: I know what I know and don’t what I don’t. I don’t know much, but what I know, I know well — and I will only talk about what I know and heep my mouth shut about what I don’t. Again, to quote Pirke Avos, this time as I hope it applies to me:
“There are seven characteristics of a stupid person and seven of a wise man. The wise man does not speak in the presence of one who is greater than him in wisdom; he does not interrupt the speech of his companion; he is not hasty to answer; he questions and answers PROPERLY and to the point; he speaks on the first point first, and on the last point last; [and this is particularly relevant to me] regarding that which he has not learned he says, ‘I have not learned that; and he acknowledges the truth [of others when he hears it]. The opposite of these traits are to be found in a stupid person.” (Pirke Avos 5:9)
I’t always amazing to me that there are people who think that because they hold a particular opinion about something it changes whatever it is their opinion is about. Thus, there are literally still people who believe the earth is flat, that the sun goes around the earth, and that the entire moon-landing was staged.
In the same way, there are those who, rather than be thought a fool by keeping their mouths shut, open it and remove all doubt. (This pasture has more than its share of those chomping at its grass.)
It’s unusual when someone asks a real question, as you have here, rather than hiding an uninformed, half-baked opinion behind behind an upside down hook. I hope I’ve given a legitimate answer to your legitimate question.
Yalhak
“I am not in this world to live up to YOUR expectations, and you are not in this world to live up to MINE. I go MY way, and you go YOURS and if, by chance, we meet, it’s beautiful. If not, it can’t be helped.” — Fritz Perls
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | July 1, 2007 at 10:13 pm
again, thank you for asking.
yalhak
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Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain | July 1, 2007 at 10:38 pm
but, then again, as reb shitalphin so adroitly observed on another thread, “There is no greater deception than honesty.” (Damn! that’s good.)
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monkeywrench | July 2, 2007 at 12:51 am
All i know- and all i am is what ive read from others.If that make me a know nothing then blame the books not me.I dont have a guru whispering in my ear everything i need to know.Although i do have the great and powerful google of Oz that always helps!:P
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sold1erx | July 6, 2007 at 3:10 pm
yea